Stupid jerk!

[Cincy]

Somebody stole the AWP harness i was trying to get cheap off of ebay. Its normally $150 for a complete awp engine harness and someone snaked it from underneith me for $75 shipped.

Plans are to swap from a ATC ecu with crappy nbo2 for a AWP ecu with a wbo2 so i can get a much better BT tune and run mafless with my upcoming turbo project. Make life so much easier and i prefer to have the harness before i buy myself an ecu with tune on it. Plan on either getting 630cc file which will support up to 500whp or move up to the 830cc file which i can run up to 500whp on e85. e85 is currently $0.10 cheaper than reg down the street from me and is over 100oct. Nothing like filling up the tank with race gas for $1.79/gal and running 30psi down the strip vs $6/gal for 104oct at the track

[frostyflax17]

what do you have to do to the car to make it able to run e85?

[Cincy]

All you really need to do is increase the fuel injectors by atleast 25%, add in a inline fuel pump if you havent, and adjust the fueling at idle. The wbo2 found in the AWP 180 and BEA 225 will be able to adjust the a/f for you when you drive since stoich is still stoich. There is a large thread on vwvortex.com that has people that have did the switch.

[frostyflax17]

interesting. don't think the k04 can do 30psi though. haha

i'll be looking into this definitely, not sure where i can get e85 though around here. it's a big place so there's gotta be somethin around here.

so what's the new b/t build consisting of?

[Cincy]

It will be either a BW256 or 258 most likely. The BW256 is bigger than a gt3076r and the S258 is about the same size as a gt35r. Both have a much nicer compressor map, spool just as fast as the gt's and are still journal bearing so they are far cheaper if something happens

[ConmanTT420]

sweet, The new Koenigsegg CCXR runs on E85. "When run on regular petrol, the CCXR develops 806 bhp (601 kW), but when the car is run on E85 Biofuel, the CCXR develops 1,018 bhp"

[frostyflax17]

what range to the wheels are you looking for? plans for the internals?

i read that whole thread on the 2.2L build. looks like it'd be interesting. what say you?

[frostyflax17]

and yes i know that'd be about a 10k build.

[Cincy]

I already have a fully built 2008cc motor that has an AEG crank, scat H beam rods, and Wisco 10.16:1 pistons. I will be looking for around 400whp on pump with a stock head and close to 500whp on e85 with a AEB head if i get around to it.

I know how to shop and what i can go used and where, so total cost with turbo kit, fueling, AWP ecu swap, and chip, ill be looking at just over $3k where the new turbo is $1100

[ConmanTT420]

thas a damn good deal...

[frostyflax17]

definitely. i was looking to go to 2.2L in the next few years, possibly. if i win the lotto or i marry a suga momma.

big turbo. you know, the dream almost every young driver wants with there car "the biggest and the baddest syndrome"

[Cincy]

You can make a 2.0 with the stock block or if you want to save some cash on going bigger, you can stick with the TDI block and crank and settle for a 2.1L. The 100mm crank for the TDI block really adds up the cost. Stock AEG and ALH cranks are cheap and strong. Not to mention a 2.0 adds a real punch and doesnt harm reving like a 2.2 would

[frostyflax17]

what about using the abf block with the aeb head?

use basically the same build as wizard-of-OD, only go bigger turbo than what he was doing?

[Cincy]

The engine block wont fit into the TT chasis. His engine is going into i believe a B5 A4 which uses a different style block. You need a 2000+ engine code that is obd2. This can be a 1.8t (ATC, AWD, AWW, AWP, BEA, AMU), 2.0 (AEG), or TDI (ALH). What you need to do with it after that changes block to block.

A 1.8t head from any year will fit on any of those blocks.

[frostyflax17]

pretty sure i have the awp right?

i'm still in the research process on what's the best block to go big turbo. in all honesty, in the next 5 years i want anywhere from 700-750whp. which will be costly yes i know.

i also want to make it interchangeable with a lil work so i can have a nice road race car.

i'm crazy yes i know, but i'm still young and my car is my life... and i am terrible with money.

[Cincy]

The awp is in the 180 01+. You have AMU i believe (01-03 225), cant remember the year. Basically the same ecu im moving away from.

You do realize that 700+whp will not only cost a extreme amount of money to build engine wise, not to mention not blow up the transmission and clutch and you still have to plant that to the ground.

Turbo kit $5k+
Standalone EMS $1500+ install
Dyno tune $150-250
twin disk clutch $1500
engine $3-5k
axles $400

and those are just a small part of the build. Look up frankiebonez and edsgti on vwvortex. Both have cracked the 700whp mark you can read what all comes with that much power.

[frostyflax17]

they have the TT also?

i got the twin disk clutch thanks to andrew, the cooling he took care of also.

i want to get myself into this, i got a DD to toss around while the TT is down... and i don't expect to be done for around 5 years. but in all honesty it's something i really want to do.

how many people with a TT can say they have 700whp... and a 10 second car (hopefully).

once again... i know i'm crazy. I'm just doing the research process now and selling 2 of my 3 cars. which if i wanted to, i could have 8k right then n there to put towards the build... just wouldn't have a DD. haha

[frostyflax17]

having difficulty finding there build threads on there. I know they're not TT's, but are the gti's the same chassis/engine?

[Cincy]

Andrew didnt install a twin disk. It has i believe a spec stage 2 in it that will hold maybe 350ftlbs. A twin disc will hold over 500ftlbs

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/frankiebonez337/Clutch%20Carnage/downsized_0816081410.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/frankiebonez337/Clutch%20Carnage/0816081413a.jpg

Not sure what you are talking about him taking car of the cooling.

Yes, chasis and engine is the same. Read all their threads since they have built it and see what problems they had along the way.

[frostyflax17]

will do, i'll keep my mouth shut about my plans and wth i'm trying to talk about till i know what i am doing... and have the plans... and know the problems... cost...

jumped the gun a lil.

[frostyflax17]

and yeah, it is a spec stage 2, for some reason i thought that was a twin disc. forgot what i read.

and cooling, i was referring to the fmic... but that doesn't help the engine overheating, probably have to have water lines and a dry sump system like wizard had.

you don't happen to have the links to those 700whp builds do you?


dang cincy you're everywhere. every other forum i see you postin up.

[Cincy]

That APR fmic wont handle the nearly 700whp, not even 500whp. It was made to suit the gt2871r and about 350whp.

No need for a dry sump, you probably arent going to get that extreme where you start the system of oil. INA/034 does make a new oil pan that has. Search INA and you will find that on vortex.

If you search his name in the 1.8t section, you will find it. Make sure you use the archive when you search his sn.

Yes, i am everywhere!! :lol:

[frostyflax17]

yeah, i read that on the garrett 101-103. the fmic on my car is way to small for that kinda power.

once again i jumped the gun. Basically i'll have a lot of nice parts for sale when i do this build in the far future.

i'll settle with a dp, some forged rods, and just crank up my boost and hopefully don't burn my k04 out. i'll be happy with that.

[CoreyHarTT]

i'll settle with a dp, some forged rods, and just crank up my boost and hopefully don't burn my k04 out. i'll be happy with that.

Haha, yeah for a week :lol:

Trust me, because I've been there and done that. Save your money now and build it up when you can afford it. Don't even bother wasting your time/effort/money on modding the K04 if you just plan on going bigger in the future. Heck, that's why my 180q still has 180 hp. In about a month or so I'll finally have enough money saved up to go straight from stock to BT without wasting any money on the stock turbo :D

[frostyflax17]

well i'll need the rods no matter what probably, and the dp i want is the best there is unless i want to go with a full 4" custom or something.

i'm not sure if i'll save the money, or buy the parts as i go. i think i'd do better with buying parts as i go.

time for a second job!

[Cincy]

If you buy and install rods now, you will be out $1k to have them installed unless you plan on keeping the engine at an 1.8L. A ko4 dp wont work with a different setup, so it wont transfer over. Not to mention there will be no need for a 4" exhaust, especially since it wont fit in the space provided due to the driveshaft

[CoreyHarTT]

Yeah, I'm worried about how a 3" downpipe is gonna fit without rattling...

And you could do the rods and internals, but I wouldn't waste your money on any of the k04 specific mods.

[frostyflax17]

:sigh: ok.

idk what my plans are then. they keep changing every other second.

[Cincy]

you really should spend the time to find out what is reasonable and doable w/o throwing a crap load of money at it

[CoreyHarTT]

you really should spend the time to find out what is reasonable and doable w/o throwing a crap load of money at it

Exactly ;)

I put a lot of thought into my realistic power goals before I even bought my TT :thumbup:

[frostyflax17]

i'm still thinking and researching. i waste a lot of time pondering.

i want a fast 1/4 mile time, but be able to swap out the turbo and some other parts with some work and make it a autocross car... and then turn the boost down and make it a nice cruising car.

is that too much to ask? hahaha :)

[Cincy]

You can have a great all around car but you cant have an all out drag + auto cross + daily driver. If you just stick with something like a gt3071r or gt3076r, they are 450-525whp capable with reasable spool for great DD. If you start looking for more power, you start to sacrafice DD capabilities and move more towards 1320' only

[frostyflax17]

can't have 2 systems i can swap in and out? or is there so much involved in each system that it's basically retarded.

overkill the supporting mods (airflow, cooling, power distribution, lower displacement, forged internals) with a smaller faster spooling turbo for DD, but then mount a huge turbo in there for big power.

have a connector that can be removed to be able to mount the different sized turbos.

[Cincy]

A tial housing setup will make swapping turbos easier, but still time consuming. You will have to top off oil and coolent everytime you swap turbos. But when a turbo such as a gt3076r can make over 500whp and get you fast enough that you need a flame suit and roll cage in the car on the strip and still make a good daily (~400awhp with proper mods on pump) should be more than enough. Think once you start seeing what is needed for these lofty goals, you will give it up since things break and you have to replace everything.

[frostyflax17]

ok, lets go the opposite route, what's the cheapest and most safe way to make enough power to get me into the 11's?

[Cincy]

rods + 50-100 direct port nitrous

[frostyflax17]

with the stock KO4? what about a downpipe?

i can't imagine making 11's with the stock turbo and just using nitrous... which can be bad if not tuned perfectly for.

[Cincy]

Yes, with a ko4. The turbo maxed out with all the bolt ons and wmi will put down 250-260whp and over 300wtq. A 100shot of nitrious will add well above 100whp and tq on a small turbo. Add that with some minor weight removeal and front slicks and you should easily drop into the 11's. A stock weight 225 with all the bolt ons (no wmi) will already break well into the 13's.

[frostyflax17]

ok, so the nitrous doesn't have any effect on maxing out the turbo?

If i was running 25psi, then hit the nitrous, wouldn't the exhaust pressure increase drastically and put a lot of extra pressure on the internal wastegate?

is there a DIY for removing the counter balance? i don't think andrew removed that as far as i know. i want to start doing some weight reduction.

[Cincy]

It will increase the exhaust flow and be a little much on the turbine wheel, but fine for a few dyno runs or trips down the track. There was a person making around 400whp/wtq with a smaller ko4-001 with nitrous.

Not the place to discuss the counterweight, but just remove the rear bumper and the 3 bolts holding it on, really simple

[frostyflax17]

is there any turbo's that will fit the 42DD dp?

maybe get the gt3076r, rods, nitrous, larger fmic, aeb head, 3" exhaust, cams, what else?

that's around 4k right there isn't it?

[Cincy]

Only the ATP shitty eliminator turbos.

You are completely off on prices.

3076r kit $4-4.5k
rods $350 + bearings and install $1k
AEB head $600+
Cams $600+

You really need to take the time to look at things for yourself.

Please check out:
www.pagparts.com
www.ctsturbo.com
www.qedpower.com

[frostyflax17]

i do look at things myself. i spend a crap load of time reading and researching.

i was referring to JUST the turbo, i saw they ran around 1,300, i wasn't thinking about the rest of the kit (should of though)

All the work i want to do myself, i got to learn somehow, and at least i know i'll make sure everything is done perfectly.

the rods i was thinking 500
aeb head i was thinking 500
cams i was thinking 400 (lil off there)
larger fmic (i was guessing my tubes would be ok) 400$
full custom exhaust 1k
nitrous kits you can get for around 200 or less i believe

i failed though yes, i didn't remember the rest of the things needed, intake/exhaust manifold, oil feed/return kit, coolant line kit, oil pan, wastegate (want an external), then of course the fuel kit, not to mention the standalone ecu, and time on the dyno to get everything tuned before i even start to introduce the nitrous. (can you run both m/i and nitrous?)


sorry if it looks as if i don't research, but i really do, everything i know is self taught in the last 3 months. (i didn't start researching f/i till i was very close to getting Andrews TT and he told me it was possible to make 400whp some day for under 5k)

p.s. thanks for the links, everyday i learn something new and find new shops what kits they offer.

[l88m22vette]

Its sweet you do your homework, but 3 months is nothing. I've had my TT since April 07 and still don't know what BT set-up I'd go with...there are too many variables and too much info to be able to really figure it out in that short time. Keep researching, check out the many BT build threads out there, and save money til you REALLY know what you want to do (by that I mean understand pricing and performance, but also understand why you should or should not get a given part, and how it will affect the set-up) :)

[frostyflax17]

i want to max out the power capabilities of the stock turbo for now, make it was fast as possible so i can do some 1/4 mile and RR. (first event is in less than a month!)

i'm still researching for the b/t set-up i'll get in a few years.

i like to know as soon as possible, so that i can buy each individual part piece by piece (hopefully for a good deal on each). then assemble all at once.

i'm terrible about saving for it all then buying everything at once. definitely feels more rushed.

i like the idea of the gt3076r... or i may go big and get the 3.2L and TT the TT

who knows. like you said 3 months is a very short time, especially to learn how EVERYTHING works in the car.

[Murderface]

Only the ATP shitty eliminator turbos.


Not exactly a turbo, but the kinetics top mount kit includes an adapter that would bolt it to a 42DD DP.

[Cincy]

i like to know as soon as possible, so that i can buy each individual part piece by piece (hopefully for a good deal on each). then assemble all at once.

i'm terrible about saving for it all then buying everything at once. definitely feels more rushed.

i like the idea of the gt3076r... or i may go big and get the 3.2L and TT the TT

who knows. like you said 3 months is a very short time, especially to learn how EVERYTHING works in the car.

Best to not start buying anything until you have a realistic goal and budget. Also need to take into account that some parts only work with other parts. Can buy one manifold and expect it to work with any dp or oil/coolant lines.

If you want a 3.2, go buy a R32, not worth the effort since you already have a perfect engine for 400-450whp on pump.

Best start reading up on what others have done, where they got it, how everything works together, whats the weak spots, and how much the paid for the results the got. Until then, you are just flooding the forum with ?'s that you should be researching on your own and gauging your goals. When you have specific questions and plans, people are much more willing to take the time to help you ;)

Not exactly a turbo, but the kinetics top mount kit includes an adapter that would bolt it to a 42DD DP.

not for a 225, but clay asked me if there was a market so it has crossed his mind. Really dont think its possible

[Cincy]

welp, since this is MY THREAD, ill take it back now. I found a new engine harness and acc harness (for the o2's) that is being shipped out today (or so im told). Now i just need a ecu and o2's. If i wait and get a chipped ecu, ill just wait until i have everything before installing it. Since this gets askes alot, ill hopfully make a how to if im not doing it alone.

As much is i would like to get a 830cc uni file, there is a tapp 1000cc for sale that has both 93 and race file. Could alter the race file for e85 and i can just swap programs instead of having to alter the program everytime i put in e85

[NoDoz]

Could alter the race file for e85 and i can just swap programs instead of having to alter the program everytime i put in e85

How does that work? Can you use vagcom to alter the program from race to e85 after your ecu is chiped?

[Cincy]

There is a program called unisettings (or lemmingwinks) that you use with vagcom and it will allow you to adjust fuel at idle, increasing/decreasing load along with timing and idle adjustments. Should only take a few tweaks with the fuel and i should be able to add in even more timing.

[Cincy]

Here it is for anyone to download. You can play with it w/o being installed on a car.

http://unitronic.ca/UNISetting.php

[NoDoz]

information overload

[Cincy]

If you havent seen yet, i just did a big info page on this in the 1.8t section

[Cincy]

The AWP harness just showed up.... does NOT look like its going to be to fun. Still wondering if/when my manifold is going to show up