Treadstone FMIC [Archive]

CoreyHarTT

02-04-2009, 01:17 AM

Anyone had any experience with these Intercooler Cores (http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=29&cat_key=63&prodname=TR8+Intercooler)?

I've seen them on eBay and I've been to their website a few times and I can't decide if it's a high quality piece or not. I've seen a few reviews on vortex, but nothing really in depth. What do you guys think? If I go this route, I'm leaning towards the TR8 (the model in the link above), in fact I found a guy on vortex selling the same core for $160 shipped.

WishIWasRWD

02-04-2009, 01:56 AM

Nate was pushing these for a while.

I asked for one, but wound up with a vibrant core instead.

Cincy

02-04-2009, 09:15 AM

They arent as dense as a PTE core, but the fins are offset and more dense than an ebay core. Its a great inbetween for a ebay and big name core. You can talk to ronnie@EJ on vortex. He ran a tr8 and now has it for sale. Personally, id rather run a TR12 (2.5" deep) since it isnt much more $, shouldnt have any fitment issues and with the goals you have, it wont be overkill. David Buschur has started to run the largest possible core on his Evo's since the gains are more than any of the losses.

CoreyHarTT

02-04-2009, 11:55 AM

Hmmm, well I like that they are better than the typical eBay core and I really like the price. I think Ronnie is the guy I was talking to on vortex. He told me he was selling the TR8 because he now works for eurojet and switched to a Race Core.

As for the bigger Treadstone core, I notcied the TR10 and 12 both had a 3" inlet/outlet. I liked the TR8 since it had a 2.5" inlet/outlet and I will be using 2.5" piping. Plus, if I can get it for $160 shipped, I think it would be worth a shot.

Cincy

02-04-2009, 12:09 PM

I wouldnt be worried to much about the inlet/outlet size. I believe the TR10 is to long since its well over 30" and the TR12 is 30" overall and the 3.5 thick core is $290. Think it should be a great alternative to a PTE 600hp core and is about $100 cheaper.

CoreyHarTT

02-04-2009, 12:55 PM

Yeah, I noticed the TR8 was 3.5" thick as well, which leads me to beleive it should cool more effectively than my old eurojet street kit (2" thick) did on my T3super60 setup. I think I may try the TR8 especially for $160 shipped. I was also meaning to ask how long the core can be and still fit? I saw that the TR8 is 28" overall and since I haven't had the bumper off yet, I wanted to make sure I have enough room for the core and custom piping to fit.

Cincy

02-04-2009, 01:04 PM

The core im running now is 28" also, fits fine. Think 30-32" wide and 3.5" thick would be the max size.

CoreyHarTT

02-04-2009, 03:37 PM

So what do you think? Will a 3.5x8x22 inch core be sufficient for my power goals? The website says it can handle 500 crank hp and Ronnie put down 413whp. And if it can't handle the power there's always water/meth ;)

Cincy

02-04-2009, 03:43 PM

Ronnie was using water meth and a AEB head, still stock manifold i believe. I dont think its going to be big enough to handle the bigger of the 2 turbos you are thinking about. If you plan on sticking in the lower 300whp range, then it should be plenty. Im either going to pick up a used 750hp PTE or get the TR12. Much rather have the plenty of cooling for lowest possible iat's. Ill see if i can find that thread on evolutionm.net about DB talking about fmic sizing.

Cincy

02-04-2009, 04:05 PM

Here you go, read pages 16-20ish of David Buschur's post. Im going by the same philosophy with my setup

CoreyHarTT

02-04-2009, 05:39 PM

I hear ya, and I don't disagree with Buschur's theory, I'm just trying to save a little bit of cash. $160 shipped for a core that is comparable to the Eurojet Race Core size/build wise is a steal in my mind. And based on my experience on what the smaller Eurojet Street Core can handle, I'm thinking the TR8 should be plenty efficient to handle my power goals. I'm only looking to put down 350-375 all wheel HP on pump gas at first. Then when I get the urge to shoot for 400 I'll turn the boost up and add water/meth (which will only help the "smaller" TR8 keep the IATs down).

I think this core would be a great starter core for my BT expedition, it's used, cheap and realitively untested. I can give it a try and run some vag com logs on it, let the rest of the scene know whats up. Besides, if I ever do decide to go for a lot more power I'll be upgading to an AEB head with new intake manifold anyway so I can always upgrade to a larger core at the same time.

Cincy

02-04-2009, 06:09 PM

It should be fine, plus to make the more power where w/m is needed, it will be a there to cool down also.

A4speed

02-04-2009, 06:36 PM

would that core work well for a4's as far as being able to fit behind a s4 bumper?

Cincy

02-04-2009, 06:39 PM

I dont see why not if you can fit a 3.5" behind there.

A4speed

02-04-2009, 07:25 PM

thats the thing, i have no idea if i can or not, lol.

l88m22vette

02-04-2009, 11:03 PM

I totally bookmarked this thread, I'll pop for a FMIC if I can go on the cheap ;) Can't wait to see how it goes if you go for it.

A4speed

02-05-2009, 01:51 AM

where would u get a pipping kit for the core though? it doesn't seem like the ebay ones really work?

CoreyHarTT

02-05-2009, 11:11 AM

The eBay pipe kits are made to be universal. It will take some trial and error and some welding if you want it to look good. Most of the eBay pipe kits I've seen installed end up looking bad and performing poorly due to a large number of silicone couplers. But if you know anyone who can weld aluminum then you can buy the kit, grab a hacksaw and start mocking up the pipes. Once you cut and get them where you like them and where everything fits, tape them together (secure enough for transport) then take them to your welder and have them welded together. That's exactly what I'll have to do if I buy a treadstone core. It will take a good amount of time and some serious effort but in the end, I'll have a completely custom setup with (hopefully) nice looking pipes that performs well and fits perfect. If I do go this route, I'll post a DIY here in the 1.8T section once the build begins. :thumbup1:

Tmoney

02-05-2009, 03:11 PM

Ok i have a question. Im trying to understand why these are such a good price, when the Forge Intercoolers are close to 900 bucks on TTstuff.com.... because im really interested in have a setup like this.

CoreyHarTT

02-05-2009, 03:17 PM

The treadstone stuff is just a core. No pipes, no couplers, definitely not a direct bolt-on kit and not for the faint of heart. The Forge kit on TTstuff is a direct bolt on kit with everything you need to install it.

Tmoney

02-05-2009, 05:26 PM

No wonder, for some reason i thought it came with all the goodies. Well nvm my dumb a$$ question lol. Im gonna make my own core out of cardboard boxes and old soup cans. Shouldnt hurt the wallet too bad

CoreyHarTT

02-06-2009, 10:16 PM

Ok I have an update on the FMIC situation...

The treadstone TR8 sold on vortex so I sent an IM to Ronnie @ eurojet and asked him what kind of price he could get me on a Race core. He came back with a damn good price and now I have the choice between the MK4 Race Core (31x11x3) or the MK5 Core (25x8x3) at the same price. I would prefer the MK4 race core but Ronnie said his boss told him the MK5 core fits the TT better. What do you think Nate?

Cincy

02-06-2009, 10:37 PM

The only way i can see the MKV fitting better is due to the shorter with, but ettreme has a 750hp PTE core on his and thats the same length and a tiny bit wider.

CoreyHarTT

02-07-2009, 01:39 AM

Yeah, I hear ya man. I think I'll go for the MK4 Race core. Now to find some piping!

Irish*TT*

03-31-2009, 09:43 AM

question..... is "Bar and Plate" the one we want? and how tall is max? this is what im looking at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CXRacing-INTERCOOLER-3-core-31x12x3-S13-S14-SRT-240Sx_W0QQitemZ350184848417QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMoto rs_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3501848484 17&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A1171%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A131 8#ht_4752wt_1069

Cincy

03-31-2009, 09:49 AM

Thats the size i have in now. THose ic really arent very good. They are extremely low density

Irish*TT*

03-31-2009, 09:59 AM

ok.. i searched for a tr12 and couldnt get anything... ill do more digging

Cincy

03-31-2009, 10:12 AM

www.treadstoneperformance.com

they will sometimes pop up on ebay

Irish*TT*

06-21-2009, 06:05 PM

so i was goofin about on amazon and found this beauty !!!
http://www.amazon.com/Mishimoto-MMINT-UMB-Line-Intercooler-Cores/dp/B001PPJ8EI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1245621620&sr=8-2
i think its a good price.. might be alil tight fit? maybe not ?

225tt

06-30-2009, 05:03 PM

That dosent look too bad, it all depends on what you want it for.

Warranty

06-30-2009, 08:03 PM

Irish*TT*

06-30-2009, 08:57 PM

i think they are a good core? i dunno if id want the spray painted stuff on there?

Warranty

06-30-2009, 11:05 PM

I don't mind the stuff sprayed on there. But ido mind the "mishimoto" in the middle. I would have to delete the letters in the center.

225tt

07-06-2009, 06:31 AM

I would just paint it all black.

AWDrifter

07-07-2009, 04:49 PM

layering on paint is going to effect the heat transfer of the intercooler. Basically you would be insulating the metal that you want to have as good of heat dispersion as possible. It may still be better than the smics but a non painted one would transfer heat better than a painted one

Cincy

07-07-2009, 11:27 PM

Depends on what and how much you paint it. Ever notice that every radiator on just about every car is black stock...?

225tt

07-08-2009, 04:46 AM

^ the radiator paint that you can buy is real fine, and if you just put a thin layer on it, it shouldnt affect the heat transfer all that much, plus you just add w/m!

AWDrifter

07-08-2009, 06:48 AM

Of course it depends how much paint you put on and what kinda of paint. But your typical rattle can, its going to have some effect.

225tt

07-08-2009, 02:28 PM

Very true, but if your careful it will turn out just fine.

Cincy

07-10-2009, 10:53 PM

Of course it depends how much paint you put on and what kinda of paint. But your typical rattle can, its going to have some effect.

very minor, that is unless you apply 3 heavy coats when one light one will work. A light covering coat will have 0 effect on cooling. The spray is only going to cover the outside part of the last row of fins, cover maybe 1% of the cooling area.

Cincy

08-26-2009, 09:10 PM

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp46/cincyTT/Image159.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp46/cincyTT/Image160.jpg

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp46/cincyTT/Image161.jpg

Damn good core and i would recommend them. Will know how well they work soon. But for just over $300 shipped, you cant beat it

Cincy

09-23-2009, 04:53 PM

Just picked up ANOTHER treadstone core, this time a TR6 for mock up and resale

http://2ndgearsq.com/images/fs/intercooler1.jpg

http://2ndgearsq.com/images/fs/intercooler6%20%28Small%29.jpg

http://2ndgearsq.com/images/fs/intercooler7.jpg

Very dense and perfect for a stock turbo setup and a bit more

ConmanTT420

11-04-2009, 07:54 PM

So it looks like to mount the treadstone Ic useing the mounting block's above the inlet/outlet pipes there, You need to tap it in order to bolt it up? is this correct? should this be pretty simple? just drill and tap? Or are they tapped and ready for a bolt? is there a better way to securly mount this? I dont want to have to weld anything...

Cincy

11-04-2009, 09:56 PM

They are 8mmx16mm

If you are running a TR6, you deff dont need a brace, doubt the TR8 really needs them also. My old core wasnt held up by anything but pipes and no issues.

ConmanTT420

11-04-2009, 10:06 PM

Ok, nice. I didnt read close enouph... Hmm, that sound easy. just make sure the T-calmps are solid and it should be good.:ohmy:... Juts to make sure u said a Tr8 should be good enouph for a Gt-3076R correct?

Cincy

11-04-2009, 10:09 PM

It should hold up fine

225tt

11-05-2009, 03:48 PM

How you planning on bracing that TR 12?

Cincy

11-05-2009, 04:19 PM

i guess i never took pics, sorry. I have some straight steel that 1"x1/8" that i cut and welded into a T. Drilled 2 holes for the ic and one where the bolts hold on the front crash bar.

ConmanTT420

12-18-2009, 11:31 PM

In anticipation of Santa bringing me a Tr8 IC, I pulled off my TT's face tonight.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u69/conman5353/IMG_0194.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u69/conman5353/IMG_0192.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u69/conman5353/IMG_0189.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u69/conman5353/IMG_0197.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u69/conman5353/IMG_0198.jpg

and thanks again Cincy for the great looking Ic pipes:cool:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u69/conman5353/DSCN0317.jpg