my first autocross

[frostyflax17]

davids 1st 2 runs in his 03 225 with 42dd dp, and borla exhaust
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m28/surrogatelax17/th_CLIP0001.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m28/surrogatelax17/?action=view&current=CLIP0001.flv)
best time 69.7
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m28/surrogatelax17/th_CLIP0002.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m28/surrogatelax17/?action=view&current=CLIP0002.flv)



my last 2 runs
you can see david taking off in this one in front of me (we swapped the camera to my car)
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m28/surrogatelax17/th_CLIP0003.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m28/surrogatelax17/?action=view&current=CLIP0003.flv)
68.3 best
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m28/surrogatelax17/th_CLIP0004.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m28/surrogatelax17/?action=view&current=CLIP0004.flv)


what makes me laugh, is the fact that the guy at the end telling us our times was telling us both to roll or windows down... now idk bout you guys, but there is no way in hell they are getting me out through the window of an audi TT.
1: the helmet will NOT fit through the window in any way unless it's melted through.
2: we sit so low there's no way they could reach in and pull us out
3: my heavy ass couldn't be lifted out that narrow window.

i think it's safer to have it rolled up all the way so that shrapnel won't come in and impale you.

[A4speed]

nicely done, i have yet to do one myself.

i could barely tell where u were suppose to go, lol!

[Cincy]

OFMG you need some brakes! You probably could of dropped around a sec with some real brakes. Looks like you had some understeer also

[Audi Addict]

Ummm, yeah. What tires are you running? I think you can find a lot of time with some brakes and better tires. Very good driving though!

[Irish*TT*]

keep your fuk'n window down already...!!! nice job knowin where the hell to go!!!

[myslow1]

looks like alot of fun. I want to go to a road course this summer...

[frostyflax17]

major slippage on the general tires, major lack of braking power, a lot of understeer, too much body roll... but damn it was fun as hell.

we walked the course (which took like 20 mins, then 1 minute to drive) just so we knew where to go.

if we had more time to practice the course and i had suspension, tires, brakes, i could of given that new VW R32 a run for 1st place! (i came in second!)

he ran a 60.xx

[frostyflax17]

my buddy chris in his s/c miata having a fun lap (he has music so it's cooler)
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/fewskillz/Rumble%20at%20the%20River/th_Chrisdorifto.jpg (http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/fewskillz/Rumble%20at%20the%20River/?action=view&current=Chrisdorifto.flv)


a really nice 350z with over 400whp. (no wonder he had an oops)
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/fewskillz/Rumble%20at%20the%20River/th_NSisZ.jpg (http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g219/fewskillz/Rumble%20at%20the%20River/?action=view&current=NSisZ.flv)

[myslow1]

that miata sounds like crap

[Cincy]

The MX-5 vid has the music form F&F 3 :lol:

[Irish*TT*]

i want that 350..!!
does it $$$ anything for autocrosses?

[frostyflax17]

35$ entry if you're not a scca member. at least around here.


25$ if you are a member.

and the miata is a miata with stock everything... almost.

[ConmanTT420]

Nice drivin. video was real good too.
how did your time compare to the others?

[Irish*TT*]

"If aint first, Your last"
http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1232395/article_images/ifyouaintfirstyourelast.jpg

[Tmoney]

Irish you kill me man!!!! ahhahaha Would you let me use that as my Avatar?

Thats the whole reason i have my finger up in my pic, If aint first, ur LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[frostyflax17]

almost every other car competing was an scca car. suspension, tires, fully built... there was 85 other cars entered and competing.

my class the 1st place was a new r32 with r compounds, suspension, exhaust, and intake. he beat me by 8 seconds (this was like his 150th scca event though).

the avg times were around 70. i ranked right in the middle of all the cars competing. i beat a couple vettes and sti's... which makes me pretty damn proud of my car! It was my first event (1st time pushing the car like that), so finding out how the car responded to it was interesting.

i was running about 18psi, spiking at 20ish.

i beat the s/c miata by 1 second if that gives you a comparison! lol

really can't wait for the next event. i recommend.

[ConmanTT420]

Nice man that's pretty impressive. Im sure that the "Driver mod" is by far the most important factor.

[Irish*TT*]

Irish you kill me man!!!! ahhahaha Would you let me use that as my Avatar?

Thats the whole reason i have my finger up in my pic, If aint first, ur LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

haha Avatar it up!!

Good job Frosty!

[frostyflax17]

lets see how long the spec stage 2 clutch will last now. haha
i am having trouble getting my mbc to keep the pressure even at 20-22psi with a minimum 25psi spike.

it goes to 24 then tapers down to 18 and sometimes 16... i'll have to get a hold of the modshack guy.

[Cincy]

Its the size of the turbo, not the (insert insult here) mbc. You want to hold more psi, get a bigger turbo

[frostyflax17]

so there's no good way to get the k04 to hold 23psi?

[Cincy]

Unless you want to shell out $300 for an ebc to prolong the boost for another 300-400rpms, thats your call. Its just not physically possible to make it w/o severly overspinning the turbo and killing it in no time.

[frostyflax17]

ok, so it's completely normal to spike at 24psi at about 3k, then it tapers down to 18 by 4k, then at 6k it's reading 16psi?

i like to watch awe guage while i'm accelerating so i know about where n when the psi is.

it doesn't even hold about 20psi for a second 2nd gear, and won't even hit 19 when in 3rd gear. wth is the point of my mbc if it doesn't manually control the levels to where i want it? haha


what if i get a unitronics tune (which i was planning on eventually anyways)...?

[Cincy]

ok, so it's completely normal to spike at 24psi at about 3k, then it tapers down to 18 by 4k, then at 6k it's reading 16psi? Yes, completely normal

it doesn't even hold about 20psi for a second 2nd gear, and won't even hit 19 when in 3rd gear. wth is the point of my mbc if it doesn't manually control the levels to where i want it? haha Its a mbc... They are dependent on load, this is why you will hold more psi as gears increase.


what if i get a unitronics tune (which i was planning on eventually anyways)...? I would say you just spent $550 and didnt gain anything. You really need to grasp the fact of when i say the turbo cant do something as THE TURBO CAN NOT DO SOMETHING. :mad:

[frostyflax17]

ohhh, that's what cant stands for... can not. my bad.


still love my car.

[Tweaked]

a lot of understeer,

TT is short for understeer. :p

Nice job. I was thinking about getting into AutoX this summer. This past year, I didn't get to the track with SCDA with my Audi because it wasn't sorted, but the year before, I beat around with my stock Jag X-Type 3.0 Sport. It was a buttload of fun, but you want to talk about understeer and body roll...

Are you running larger sway bars? It's probably one of the best things you can do to pick up the pace. Body roll slows you down and causes the car to plow even more. Larger sways will help you keep up the speed and the understeer will be more predictable.

[frostyflax17]

have the neuspeed 19mm rear sway and that's it... i'm going to drop it with koni's like wintermute has over on audiforums. i heard good reviews of the threaded koni coilovers.

they're having a special for $1,200 for the koni's also i believe... selling a few more spare parts off the old 3000gt and i might be able to afford some wheels and track tires (which i'm still trying to figure out what i want)

[Tweaked]

have the neuspeed 19mm rear sway and that's it...

Using just a larger sway bar in the rear will increase understeer; the car will be harder to rotate. You need a larger front sway bar to flatten out the front and help the car rotate. You'd be better off running the stock sways or a larger front than just a larger rear bar.

[HowdyTT]

Not hating on you, but the R32 beat you by 8 seconds? With that short of a lap, 8 seconds must be a lot. I guess the fact that you were second in your class, and middle of all classes shows it not you. What defines the class? And what other cars did you beat besides the vette, sti, and the other TT that are faster than you stock for stock in a straight line?

I'm hoping that the track was more clearly defined than what is perceived in the video. I would have drove over shit like an idiot otherwise.

Good stuff, looks like a blast. :thumbup:

[frostyflax17]

the r32 with the vr6, full exhaust, intake, r-compounds, and a driver mod of at least 5 years experience in hard core scca events. haha

avg lap times were around 70second from what i could see... but people did run faster times as there best laps...

classes are divided by the cars capabilities basically... what's been done to it, blah blah blah. there's a big list of rules and stuff online.

i'll try and find the race results to show you the stats and who i beat and blah blah blah.

[frostyflax17]

here's the overall best race times. you can see the drivers, cars, and what class they are in.
http://www.kestrelracing.com/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=8&Itemid=51
seperated by class
http://www.kestrelracing.com/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=6&Itemid=51

[myslow1]

You really need to grasp the fact of when i say the turbo cant do something as THE TURBO CAN NOT DO SOMETHING. :mad:

he'll figure it out when it pops ;)

i spike 20 and hold 16-19... depends on what gear, where i am in the rpm, and if im on a flat surface or incline.

[frostyflax17]

i don't think my turbo or my engine will pop.

it spikes at 24 then tapers off and depending on the gear depends on how slow it tapers down to about 18psi avg.

above 20psi sure does feel good though. i can't wait to get a bigger turbo...

just outta curiosity... i know the k turbos lose power after around 5k or so, do the larger turbo's do that also?

i'm just curious of the powerband of different turbos. if a gt28 will spool faster, will it hold that psi till you have to shift? It's like... would a TT with a gt30r that reaches full pressure at 3500rpms be faster than a TT that's equipped with a gt35r that doesn't spool till 4500rpms. (probably wrong on when those turbos spool by).

for those extra seconds that the gt35r is waiting to spool an extra 1000 rpms, the gt30r is already pulling ahead... would it have that much of a pull before you have to shift to catch back up?

i'm starting to think about what turbo will suit my needs as a autox and road course car...

[HowdyTT]

here's the overall best race times. you can see the drivers, cars, and what class they are in.
http://www.kestrelracing.com/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=8&Itemid=51
seperated by class
http://www.kestrelracing.com/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=6&Itemid=51

Nice to see a TT'er in front of these guys ;) Even though the outcome would had been different with equivalent drivers :mellow:

07 Honda S2000
02 BMW Z3 2.5i
00 Chevy Corvette
03 Chevrolet Corvette
05 Subaru Wrx Sti
08 Subaru Impreza STi

[myslow1]

you keep pushing that turbo to 24psi and it will pop.

our turbos lose pressure because they are well beyond efficiency that high... all turbos are going to have a fall off at some point.
When the turbos are as small as the K's you will lose boost sooner. Think about how many rpm's a compressor wheel the size of a quarter is spinning to make 24psi.
For autocross a 28rs would be a great turbo. It will spool up quickly and hold boost much longer than the stock k04

IF! i upgrade my turbo it will likely be to a 28rs

[myslow1]

24psi over time will make ur turbo sound like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJRAfFirdYI

[HowdyTT]

24psi over time will make ur turbo sound like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJRAfFirdYI

Although a little annoying, that camera guy was kinda funny lol

[frostyflax17]

god i love your avatar howdy. i have GOT to get one of my model friends in one of those posing on the car.

[myslow1]

Although a little annoying, that camera guy was kinda funny lol

yeah he cracks me up at the end when he's talkin about f1 racing lol

[Cincy]

just outta curiosity... i know the k turbos lose power after around 5k or so, do the larger turbo's do that also? All turbos have a powerband. Depending on the size of the wheels and housings depends on whre that is on a certian motor. Later the spool, the higher it will go before falling off

i'm just curious of the powerband of different turbos. if a gt28 will spool faster, will it hold that psi till you have to shift? Depends which 28 series turbo. The 28r has a gt25 turbine wheel unlike the 28rs and 2871r but they will start to fall off at 6k and if you have cams or a larger .86 housing, it will slow the fall off up top

It's like... would a TT with a gt30r that reaches full pressure at 4000rpms be faster than a TT that's equipped with a gt35r that doesn't spool till 4500rpms. (probably wrong on when those turbos spool by). Keep in mind, lag is only really present in the first couple gears. After that or from a roll, lag has nothing to do with it because you will be shifting at Xrpms and staying in the powerband

for those extra seconds that the gt35r is waiting to spool an extra 1000 rpms, the gt30r is already pulling ahead... would it have that much of a pull before you have to shift to catch back up? See above

i'm starting to think about what turbo will suit my needs as a autox and road course car... A gt28r or rs would be the better autoX turbo, the road course would be better off with a 28 or 3071r which would have more speed in straits (depending on how long they are)

Using just a larger sway bar in the rear will increase understeer; the car will be harder to rotate. You need a larger front sway bar to flatten out the front and help the car rotate. You'd be better off running the stock sways or a larger front than just a larger rear bar.

A fsb will reduce roll, but will bring back some of the understeer the rsb just eliminated. Deff need a thicker rear when used with a thicker front

[Tweaked]

A fsb will reduce roll, but will bring back some of the understeer the rsb just eliminated. Deff need a thicker rear when used with a thicker front

That's what I meant. Both larger is best, not just a honker of a bar in the front without doing the rear as well.

[KnoXville]

In the AutoX Rabbit.. Listen to 1800 lbs on 9" wide slicks compared to a 3300 lb TT on street tires..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL4XYtWLmqE