400hp club?

[225tt]

Just wondering what everyones plans are (if they dont mind sharing) to reach 400hp, wether that be whp or awhp. Here is the setup that I am thinking of going with,

Stroked to 2.0L
AEB Head
Big Port Intake Manifold
VR6 TB
W/M Injection
GT 3076r .63 a/r turbo kit and tuning (Pagparts)

More info on the kit from pagparts:

vbanded manifold
GT3076R .63AR SS Vbanded housing
oil feed line kit
oil return line kit
GT restrictor
coolant line kit
oil pan adapter kit
oil return flange kit
3" SS DP for Quattro/Haldex
3.5" inlet piping set
vband clamp inlet/outlet
830cc injector set
Inline fuel pump kit
Software
charge piping set to front for TT225 Config
Tial 38mm MVS WG 1bar
Dump tube to either reroute or open atmosphere

Anyone have different plans please feel free to post!

[Cincy]

Thats a pretty solid setup that should produce 400whp on pump with about 20psi, should do awhp with maybe 24psi.

My 400whp will come with:

10:1 c/r 2L
Custom gt3582r .63 setup
stock head and intake for a short time

:tt2:

[Adam@unitronic.ca]

3076 on a stock motor with an AEB head and good intake manifold will make 400awhp on pump gas. Displacement will just shift the curve around. The biggest thing is to have a good tune and a SOLID setup, ie no problems.

[Cincy]

3076 on a stock motor with an AEB head and good intake manifold will make 400awhp on pump gas. Displacement will just shift the curve around along with an increased base whp resulting in less psi for same whp. The biggest thing is to have a good tune and a SOLID setup, ie no problems.

;)

[CoreyHarTT]

I'm gonna attempt to join the club on the stock 180 Quattro 1.8L AWP engine with nothing more than IE rods, but we'll see what happens... I should be well above 400 crank HP and I'm expecting to be in the 350-375 awhp range but I'm probably gonna push it and see if I can break 400 awhp. The turbo I'm gonna run is definitely capable of the numbers, it's gonna be up to how much air the engine can flow in "stock" form. But hey, I can always add water/meth or run e85 later if I need a little extra push.

Anyway, here is the setup I'm gonna start with:

BorgWarner S256 with a .63 AR T31 Housing @ 25+ PSI
Tial 38mm Wastegate
Kinetic Motorsports Top Mount T3 Exhaust Manifold and 02 Pipe
42dd Full 3" Turbo Back Exhaust
Eurojet Race FMIC Core with a 225 Intake Manifold and Custom 2.5" Piping
Eurodyne BT Software
Seimens 630cc Injectors with a Walbro 225 inline fuel pump
Stock AWP Head

I'm slowly in the process of saving money and gathering all the necessary parts to build the kit. Whenever it is that I save enough money to purchase the rest of the kit I'll be doing all the work myself and the car will go from where it sits now (completely stock motor) to BT overnight. I honestly have no idea when it will happen, but I already have a pretty good pile of parts accumulating in my basement :thumbup1:

[l88m22vette]

I like the idea of a high-comp 1.8T, but it almost seems silly to buy $600 pistons if I'm not going 2.0

[Adam@unitronic.ca]

along with an increased base whp resulting in less psi for same whp.

This will be minimal if the compression ratio isn't changed. A compressor at a set pressure ratio only flows so much. Volumetric efficiency isn't going to change that much by simply increasing displacement. My point was the turbo is and will always be the limiting factor of max power.

This is FWHP, but you get the point. 18, 20, and 23 psi, 3076R, pump gas, AEB head, 007 intake manifold, stock compression/pistons, on a semi rough tune.

http://www.krautfed.com/dizzy/IMG00047.jpg

[Cincy]

100% agree that a turbo can only flow so much, be it at 25 or 40psi. If the increase in disp didnt change much, my car shouldnt of made 172whp and 184whp at 9psi on a stock everything but dp.

[ConmanTT420]

ok I know this might sound dumb but... If 225TT's setup will get him 400whp on pump @ 20 psi, then how can Adam@unitronic.ca's 3076 on a stock motor with an AEB head make 400awhp on pump gas?? ( and 2. isnt 400 hp on stock motor pushin it?)

[Cincy]

That dyno is on his GTI (so fwhp). It has IE rods with stock 9.5:1 pistons and crank.

[ConmanTT420]

oh ok,thanks... ahh, im soo close; just need to graduate(less then 2 weeks) then get a job so i can finaly drop some $$ into my engine/. U guy's got some real nice setups going here, I cant wait to contribute.

[jwalker1.8]

AEB Head
110 octane
strong mix of water meth
apr intake mani
80mm tb
Garrett 50 trim w/ high boost

and hopefully some year operational

This combo won't be my daily driver but I hope to make close to 400 w/ that for track days

[225tt]

ok I know this might sound dumb but... If 225TT's setup will get him 400whp on pump @ 20 psi, then how can Adam@unitronic.ca's 3076 on a stock motor with an AEB head make 400awhp on pump gas?? ( and 2. isnt 400 hp on stock motor pushin it?)

Neither mine or Adams motors are stock. With a few head mods and drop in rods and pistons and crank, 400 whp is easily reached, either 2.0L or 1.8L.

Adam are you running the stock crank at 400hp?

[Cincy]

His old setup was on a stock AWP crank, pistons, but with IE 19mm rods.

[225tt]

Wow ok thanks, that is pushing it I would say, I feel better with a forged crank protecting my bottom end when I get up into those ranges, plus when you got it all torn apart should just get in and build up what you can.

[Cincy]

The stock 1.8t cranks are all forged except some early A4's. My AEG crank is however not forged but cast and still no one has broke a stock crank (1.8t or 2L) with power. The AEG and 1.8t (AWP etc) have seen over 700whp each with many dailys well above 400whp.

[225tt]

Ahh i see thanks for the info. You still running a 2.0L with ur K03?

[Cincy]

for maybe another month. I have most of what i need for the .63 gt35r

[Adam@unitronic.ca]

100% agree that a turbo can only flow so much, be it at 25 or 40psi. If the increase in disp didnt change much, my car shouldnt of made 172whp and 184whp at 9psi on a stock everything but dp.

Yeah, what about that compression ratio? ;) Almost all 1.8t cranks are forged, and they dyno above was OEM except for rods.

[Cincy]

You think a .6 increase was the cause of ~30whp at 2 less psi than stock, come on Adam. Its suppose to be a 5% gain/point NA so i dont think it was the main factor. But as you know, im all ears for a rebuttal

[225tt]

So would it be better with a 82.5mm stroke or 83mm. I heard one guy talk about going with 82.5mm for added protection.

http://audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198330

For those that are intersted in how to do a 2.0L swap with a AMU engine!!!

[Cincy]

I think an 82.5mm bore will still use the stock head gasket which will make the build a bit cheaper since the NA 20v gaskets are about 2x the cost of the stocker. The max people go is 83.5mm, so even if you go 83mm, you still have room to grow if really needed.

82.5mm = 1984cc
83mm = 2008cc
83.5mm = 2032cc

[225tt]

I personally am liking the 82.5mm idea, but to each his own.

[Cincy]

why, just the gasket cost? If you do enough damage to need bored more than .5mm, you basically made the block scrap anyways

[225tt]

Just personal preference for my setup I dont need the more displacement to spool the 3076r .63a/r faster, I am sure that the 82.5mm bore will do just fine. I may toy with the idea of 83mm but that would probably be about it.

[Adam@unitronic.ca]

You think a .6 increase was the cause of ~30whp at 2 less psi than stock, come on Adam. Its suppose to be a 5% gain/point NA so i dont think it was the main factor. But as you know, im all ears for a rebuttal

I think you're underestimating the output of the motor when stock. I put down 174/182 at stock boost with a CAI and LW pulleys. That was FWD like you. You have a 10:1 2.0, and a 3" DP, and made basically the same power, with 2 less psi than stock. That seems about right to me. Why were you running less than stock boost would be the real question. lol

[Cincy]

I took out the mbc when the builder had the car. He used a turboxs basic and when he installed it, it was only at 9psi and it maxed out at 19psi otherwise i would of dynoed at maybe 20-22psi.

[Adam@unitronic.ca]

I'm confused, it only went to 19 so you dynoed at 9? lol Either way, compression ratio rules.

[Cincy]

When it was first installed and ran, it was on mbc only and it was setup just open so it only bled off 4psi above wastegate pressure. The max psi on the basic is suppose to be 12psi over wastegate but it still spiked 19psi. The car was dynoed at both 9 and 19spi. If it was my hpbc instead of the basic, i could run 30+ above wastegate pressure.

And yes, compression rules. No 8.5:1's here

[Adam@unitronic.ca]

So what did it make at 19? lol

[Cincy]

that was the 197whp and 292wtq with just a dp and stock timing. With the full 3" turboback now and +2*, deff more even with the psi dropped to 16-17psi

[Storx]

I leave for Korea june 22nd and have orders to be there 12 months and then report back orders to Fort Stewart, Ga.. When i get back im going to take the TT out of storage rip the engine out... and do everything at once...

Parts sitting on bench to install:
HE341ve T6 VGT turbo 0.46 -1.86 A/R
Stock AEB head w/ no cam/valves/lifters
AWP complete engine harness
BRM Forged 199mm Crank (Polished)
Ross Machining Big Port Intake Manifold w/ (2) fuel rails

What i still need to order while in korea...
Turbo manifold..
Dodge Magnum TB
20mm ROds
83mm 10:1 Pistons
630 injectors..
Fuel Pump

did alot of thinking on this but buschur racing testing an Ross Machining intake manifold with twin fuel rails in dsm magazine and they did dyno runs with (4) 1200cc injectors in the intake with the 2nd set of 4 bungs capped and then dyno'd with (8) 630cc injectors and when they ran the same psi the engine ran better and made more power the entire powerband.. the only thing they can think it does is alow finer tuning since the holes on the 630 is smaller and you have 2 cycles of atomization so somehow it made over 80hp at the same psi..

[Skitzafit]

Been in Korea for 3 years I hope you like it here Storx My combo I think is standard...
GT3076, Tial 38mm WG, 880cc injectors,
Built AEB head (valves, springs, cams, ect)
Sem manifold,
That is all the new stuff, the old 2871 got 330whp, internally gated and w/o the water meth spraying. I hope I will hit the 400whp when finished. I guess we will find out next month.

[225tt]

You got rods?

[Skitzafit]

Hmmm Rods... Yeah I had enough rods floating around to off a set to Coreyhartt. My Block is built, new rods and pistons, crank was good to go. Everything is in order just waiting on parts and Adam to IM me back... Thanks for your concern though

[225tt]

Not a problem, I didnt see it on there and I figured that you did, but just wanted to make sure just in case.

[Skitzafit]

Yeah no worries. I honestly wish I could have the patience to put the AEB head and Sem mani on with the 2871 just to show the gains before putting the 3076 on. Oh well, thanks for the trying to help I really appreicate it.

[myslow1]

can i have ur 2871? i'll send you a cookie... and maybe some zip ties.

[Skitzafit]

Hmmm haha well if you are really interested I maybe able to part with the 2871, exhaust mani and 630cc injectors but hit me up in a pm in respect for the forum. I'm pretty stoked for the 3076 build. I will order a LSD and new engine mounts to help put the power down and keep eng movement down.

[Storx]

Been in Korea for 3 years I hope you like it here Storx My combo I think is standard...
GT3076, Tial 38mm WG, 880cc injectors,
Built AEB head (valves, springs, cams, ect)
Sem manifold,
That is all the new stuff, the old 2871 got 330whp, internally gated and w/o the water meth spraying. I hope I will hit the 400whp when finished. I guess we will find out next month.

are you in Korea now or are you stating you did 3 years there.. im only going for 12 months and then im going to Fort Stewart afterwards so im looking forward to the return to the states buildoff.. i have had the money waiting for the build i just have not had the time to tear it apart lately so when i get back im probably going to buy an junker truck for a wip... and then tear into the TT to build it up..

[Adam@unitronic.ca]

GT3076, Tial 38mm WG, 880cc injectors,
Built AEB head (valves, springs, cams, ect)
Sem manifold, I hope I will hit the 400whp when finished. I guess we will find out next month.

400? You should be able to do that on pump gas with no water/meth on your new setup. :) Shoot me an email when you get this, I responded to your PM's.

[Skitzafit]

Yeah I have been in Korea for 3 years. I was there at Ft. Stewart well Hunter Army Airfield first. I really loved Savannah. Adam I responded also, I apologize as my time is much different.